New Kenosha Info
Ok... I DO NOT watch the MSM news. My blood pressure can't take it. I have some opinions about the 17 y/o named "Kyle" that are not good for his case (legally speaking). I see some problems ahead, legally, for this young man.
I have resisted the urge to jump to opinions (at least publicly).
With that said please watch this dudes you tube video break down of this situation, then draw your own conclusions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKAucs4dd3U
Jason
Kyle Rittenhouse Was Working as a Lifeguard in Kenosha the Day of the Shooting, Went to Clean Vandalism at School After Work
We urgently must draw lessons from this and similar incidents.
The main lesson is that 'militias' and similar groups must do everything they can to prevent 'freelance patriots' from coming to AntiFa/BurnLootMurder demonstrations armed. If they want to come unarmed and get into individual fistfights, fair enough -- it's stupid, it harms us, but the worst that will happen is that they'll get a kicking. (And if a freelance patriot gets beaten to death that will actually be a big propaganda victory for us.)
But once you come armed as a single individual, even as concealed carry, you are rolling the dice on an incident like this happening. The MSM will twist the truth shamelessly, whatever happens. If the local or state government is in the hands of liberals/progressives, they will pull out all the stops to prosecute the patriot. It's dumb. To steal a famous phrase applied to the suicidal charge of the British cavalry during the Crimean War -- "It is magnificent, but it is not war."
So that's Lesson One. If you're not part of a group -- and not just any group, but we'll come to that -- and you just have to have a gun on you ... stay home. If you're not part of the right group, stay home any way. The serious, organized patriots there don't have time to protect you from your own imprudence if you get surrounded by a pack of AntiFa vermin. The serious organized patriots must propagate this 'advice' everywhere they can, including at these confrontation.
Lesson Two: the 'militia movement' in the US has been tricked into preparing for the wrong war. Most militia members probably envision themselves as the modern version of the admirable 'Rooftop Koreans', protecting their property from a mob of sub-human garbage who are randomly armed, advancing to loot and destroy property, with all legal points on the side of the defenders and, more importantly, with public opinion on their side as well, especially if the defenders cannot be charged with being white.
But times have changed since Rodney King, thirty years ago. I won't go into detail here about these changes. Suffice it to say that the prosecuting attorney's office, if they're Democrats, will be on the side of the mob. So will the public opinion formers -- the MSM -- and so will a lot of public opinion. We're fighting under different circumstances .. we don't want to make cavalry charges against tanks.
Those who wish to defend civil order -- the current 'militia movement' and Civilian Defense Forces -- need urgently to study how to engage in mass conflict against a mob, while not using firearms. This requires discipline, organization, the right gear. In Europe, they know much more about this than we do, especially the French. (Those who read French should do some research on the FO/CGT's 'service d'ordre', the men who keep order during the huge demonstrations that the unions have in France all the time. And the US Army has a whole handbook which, among other things, covers this question. [I'll supply a title later.])
We need to practice 'shield wall' tactics, with appropriate gear, and organization. A serious defense force will have legal aid ready, will have a medical team, will have Observation Posts and good Comms for reporting and command and control, and a centralized leadership.
It will have a PR team ready to get on top of the news reports with a truthful account of what happens, available immediately to all pro-patriotic news outlets and to local papers -- we can assume the MSM will lie like troopers, but they can be countered. But this requires preparation long in advance, with appropriate email lists. Eyewitness reports of the truth need to be collected on the spot and sent out as soon as possible, accompanied with photographs as professional press releases..
A proper defense force will enter and exit the immediate area of operations in a planned and co ordinated way. It will have several observers videoing everything. It will have as much intelligence from within the enemy organization(s) as possible. None of this is new, none of this rocket science.
And what about firearms? Tbere is a time and place for everything, including guns. Their defensive use has to be considered very carefully, with an eye on the legal situation -- however unfair it is -- at all times. We need to discuss more about this elsewhere.
This isn't a game. We are entering a slow civil war in America. Isolated shoot-outs, which the Enemy will invariably blame on us, are usually PR defeats for our side, however much they may excite the chairborne warriors and Russian trolls screeching for these things to happen. The current phase of the war is a fight for the hearts and minds of Middle America. We must not look like bloodthirsty crazies itching to shoot someone.
Remember, it's not the truth, but what is perceived as the truth, that will determine how we are seen. We can shape this and we must shape it, or the enemy, who dominates the 'cultural apparatus', will do it for us.
These groups have to be formed now. Existing militia groups need to expand their repertoire of defensive techniques to include disciplined unarmed (with firearms) combat against AntiFa mobs. And where no militia exists, we need to form civilian defense forces, as quickly as possible.
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Doug, I do not disagree. But it really doesn't matter at this point what you do, as long as you are not on their side. Wear the wrong hat, or shirt, eat at the wrong restaurant, fail to pay proper homage, and you will be targeted. And the media will attack and blame you. PR is a tool that only works if there isn't an organized and dominant biased press working against that PR. Everyone knows the Russian thing was a hoax, yet the press keep, well, pressing it (forgive the pun) and the Dem lawmakers keep resurrecting it.
And any sort of appeasement simply moves the goalposts even further left.
A number of people have asserted that Kyle was at fault, that he had no need to be there and should have stayed at home, that he had no need to bring a gun, that his presence and actions instigated the violence, and now the media and the other side will use this against us. No matter what we do, or how far we go to avoid this, they will simply keep moving the goalposts until we are left with no way to avoid it. They would make the same claims about this guy https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/08/30/we-got-a-trumper-rioters-cheer-and-celebrate-after-pro-police-victim-is-shot-dead-in-portland-966124 because of his hat and flag patch. He had no gun, he did not resist. He wasn't even given a chance to resist. He is in fact a perfect example of the freelance patriot you talk about being killed. He was shot rather than beaten, but dead is dead. It remains to be seen if this will "help" us, but within moments they were already spinning this and spreading their lies.
Eventually they will blame their violence on your simply coming out of your house, or not swearing allegiance to their cause. It is never them, because they see themselves as working for the greater good. It is always the other guy cause "other guy bad."
By any means necessary means....... by any means necessary.
Lie, kill, maim. If your going to fight fight to win. Right now winninh means winning hearts. Organizing like minded ppl!
Doug I think your analysis is spot on.
Patriots don’t need to “give battle” to the opposition unless it is unavoidable or strategically necessary. Avoiding mobs is the key here - no demonstrations, counter protesting etc. This is exactly what the opposition wants us to do, so let’s not give them the satisfaction.
At most, we should be operating as “grey men” - not advertising who we are, and staying under the radar. At least until we gather more strength. This is the most vulnerable time for CDF right now, as we are building the organization. We will never be as vulnerable as we are right now-ever. Getting intelligence on the opposition and recruiting is (IMHO) critical right now.
We need to be fighting smarter not harder.
Should we ever counter protest?
should we not protect business and homes from being torched?
we certianly dont have the numbers or the training yet.
What might be wrong for us as members of an organization trying to get established, is one thing. But for an individual, or a couple of people to chose to do the same thing, may well be perfectly fine. I can't say that if someone were begging me personally to save their business, that they have their family's entire life savings tied up in, that employs 20 people and therefore feeds 20 other families, that I could say sorry that would put me or my organization at risk or cast us in a bad light.
I do get the point being made here, but OTOH, we are beginning to sound a little bit like the Dems, calculating our response based on how it will affect our image, or as they would frame it, our ability to do real good in the future. Wrong is wrong, Right is right. And no matter how much the media spins shit, what these rioters and protesters are doing right now, is wrong. If we let how the media will spin our actions, stop us form acting entirely, they have already won. Yes I get that we need to be smart, and crafty. But does that mean we need to stop all outward actions? Or condemn someone like Kyle who on his own initiative, tried to do something good, and do it in the best way he could? I don't think anyone here would say, no don't protect that *person* being beaten by some thugs, let them get killed or seriously injured because being seen as a violent militia will hurt our cause. So it worries me that we are more willing to do the same when it comes to a small business.
People's lives are tied up in those small businesses. Their homes, their children, their communities, their ability to feed and clothe and house themselves, all rely on the health of that business in many cases. And more than just the owners, the business also employs people, whose families and lives are dependent on that paycheck. Did anyone see the story of the 71 year old employee trying to stop the rioters from burning down the mattress store in Kenosha where he worked. Ended up in the hospital because the rioters came back and beat him. Not his store, he just worked there. That is how important these businesses are to folks. And how evil these rioters are.
There has to be a solution where we don't simply plan and scheme in the shadows, and yet we are still smart and working towards something bigger than just one encounter. Yes Kyle and his friend, and the other handful of loosely associated folks did not plan their action well and ended up having a minimal impact on the health of the businesses they were trying to save, but they did in some cases have an impact, a number of businesses were saved by their actions, and the business owners were right there with them in many cases. All the business owners were asking for was some help. The police should have been the ones to help, be that local, county, state, or even feds. But they were nowhere to be found. They were protecting their own buildings and letting the citizens fend for themselves. So let's not deride those citizens who actually did fend. Let's learn to be better at this the next time, Let's learn how to coordinate with other groups. Let's figure out alternatives to bringing in big scary looking guns. But let's not discount or just outright reject such actions. I fear we are lost if we do.