Less lethal weapons, thought or ideas anyone
When the peaceful protesters began I told my wife I give them a few weeks before the beating and killing of people would begin and we need to be prepared, it may may never come this far out and would in my opinion be a very bad thing to try out here, but it is better to be prepared than to need what you failed to prepared for.
I began to stock up on Mace Pepper Gel, it's nasty stuff and unlike a fog spray has a much lower chance of drifting back and nailing the person deploying it.
I grabbed a few of the handheld units from the usual sources and then discovered a larger unit about the size of a small fire extinguisher, only problem was they where clearly marked law enforcement use only, credentials required for purchase, digging deeper I noticed some of the dealers worded the requirement to purchase may require credential to be submitted, what I discovered is the only credential they wanted was a valid credit card.
So I bought as many as I could afford to and passed them around the family, what was real handy was prior to everything selling out over the past two weeks was I obtained a inert unit, it was nearly the same price as a live unit but it allowed us to get an idea of how they work without getting contaminated in the process.
This is the item should anyone want to get one, if you can find one and they may be out there I just haven't found where yet.
Google the active ingredient, I cannot detail how it can be made, I am still trying to make that perfect, but it's worth looking into.
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Yeah I saw this on My Militia. Got me thinking.
Marc: You might want to consider wasp spray too. It travels 12 feet in a streaming spray.
Excellent idea, thank you.
Also: can someone comment on (1) protective glasses/goggle against this stuff, and (2) best stuff to wash your eyes out with if you get hit with it. I recall going through the CS gas exercise fifty years ago, and it was really impressive to me ... how you could be absolutely incapacitated by something non-lethal.
And ... in general, we ought to aim at writing up a short PDF file with best-practice summaries for all these things, including steel-toed boots, athletic protectors, body armor, head protection, gloves, etc. And a suggested Individual First Aid Kit for every person, even if it's homemade. [Enterpreneurs: here's your opportunity -- turn up with your wares at these events and make some money. But only sell to our side.]
All the YouTube videos I've seen have made it look as if typical confrontations with Anti-Fa are like barroom brawls ... it's all chaotic, lots of individual combats, no over all plan or organization or discipline shown from our side. I could expect this of AntiFa, but we really ought to be well organized, and, at these events, also have a plan to draw in random freelance patriots who turn up on their own (and then recruit them to the local CivDefForce afterwards).
Quote from Marc Sayer on September 1, 2020, 6:56 PMYeah I saw this on My Militia. Got me thinking.
The chili idea?
Quote from CDF Patriot on September 1, 2020, 7:16 PMMarc: You might want to consider wasp spray too. It travels 12 feet in a streaming spray.
You want to be real careful with that stuff, you can blind or kill a person with it.
I use a product made by Rainbow Technology that I came across at BellSouth, it has a very fast take down of wasps.
One day while using it I had a very small amount of it make it around my safety glass's and into my left eye, I went to the back of my van and rinsed my eye out a lot, I still lost vision in that eye and was in intense pain for the amount of time it took me to drive home and log out early for the day and a few hours later.
I cannot imagine what it would be like to get hit in the face with it.
That stated, using something like that for a purpose it was never intended for, will more than likely land your butt in Circuit Civil and cost you dearly.
Use a product made for the purpose or at least the same ingredients.
Quote from Doug on September 1, 2020, 7:18 PMExcellent idea, thank you.
Also: can someone comment on (1) protective glasses/goggle against this stuff, and (2) best stuff to wash your eyes out with if you get hit with it. I recall going through the CS gas exercise fifty years ago, and it was really impressive to me ... how you could be absolutely incapacitated by something non-lethal.
Mace recommends lots of cold water and do not use any kind of lotions that will block air from blowing over the area contaminated with it.
Mace also sells a decontamination spray but I have never used it nor know what it is made from, just guessing it might be some form of lidocaine that numbs the skin reducing the pain.
And ... in general, we ought to aim at writing up a short PDF file with best-practice summaries for all these things, including steel-toed boots, athletic protectors, body armor, head protection, gloves, etc. And a suggested Individual First Aid Kit for every person, even if it's homemade. [Enterpreneurs: here's your opportunity -- turn up with your wares at these events and make some money. But only sell to our side.]
Search for 3M first aid kits, they have a decent line ranging form pocket kits to medic backpacks.
Quote from WCETECH on September 1, 2020, 7:44 PMQuote from Marc Sayer on September 1, 2020, 6:56 PMYeah I saw this on My Militia. Got me thinking.
The chili idea?
Yeah and the same images you posted here as well.
Quote from CDF Patriot on September 1, 2020, 7:16 PMMarc: You might want to consider wasp spray too. It travels 12 feet in a streaming spray.
Yeah I used to carry a can in my vehicle all the time.
If the shit truly hits the fan I won't care about the legal ramifications of wasp spray. That said, I've read way too much that says it's not the deterrant everyone thinks it is. Again, I'd consider it better than nothing--I just wouldn't want to go cheap on something like this when the life of your kids could be on the line.
Check with outdoor shops like Cabelas and REI; see if you can get bear spray. Think pepper spray in a nuclear sized container--shoots really far, contains a lot, and though it was thirty bucks per can last I saw it, I figure if you're really looking for non-lethal but effective, it's probably about as good as you can get. And I've always heard that milk is the best thing to carry for easing the pain and effect of pepper spray. That question deserves more research, though.
If you can't find pepper spray, I wouldn't think twice about keeping a can of wasp/hornet spray in my vehicle. You can always carry it without worry of legality; using it though...well, you'd better have some way of proving that you felt your life was in danger. Otherwise, yeah--they're going to turn it around on you (now that self defense is, you know, illegal and stuff).